tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post8873113898561964911..comments2023-10-12T05:26:57.596-04:00Comments on Friday Night Victors: Recruiting, Does it Happen? Is it Unfair? Should we Care?Chrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02325928863743778443noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-17633120832091213492017-07-09T15:53:19.313-04:002017-07-09T15:53:19.313-04:00To me it sounds like sour grapes as usual...can...To me it sounds like sour grapes as usual...can't beat them because they recruit...blah blah blah !!! ZERO sympathy for whoever believes that garbage !!! Cry all you want !!! Big babies ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-77012708379301755632017-03-28T10:09:44.131-04:002017-03-28T10:09:44.131-04:00RE: "I do think a school should play schools ...RE: "I do think a school should play schools from there own sports class A,B,C,D. It is an advantage to play up all year, then play down for the playoffs. Everybody plays harder when they play big brother, then they play somebody their own size after that. HUGE advantage"<br /><br />Playing tougher competition is a bad thing? I don't follow that at all. On the down side of playing tougher competition it does keep you from getting those 5 or 6 wins from time to time. But again, I completely disagree that teams should only play teams in their class. Not a well thought out plan in my opinion.Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-65519123504124074722017-03-28T09:30:36.250-04:002017-03-28T09:30:36.250-04:00http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-47...http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/article/-4715817851184078739/public-vs-private-playoff-system-makeover-gains-support/Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325928863743778443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-32460814469255853602017-03-27T16:40:48.624-04:002017-03-27T16:40:48.624-04:002:30, I would agree with most of what you said e...2:30, I would agree with most of what you said except the academic part. Many schools do have much more to offer. More AP classes, more choices, more hands on classes in case you don't want to spend your work life in a cubicle. Stuff like that. So I would not agree that SMCC has the best academics. That is a myth. They just give more homework on the same courses. <br /><br />Calm down there 2:34, SMCC gets grief over there transfers the most because they get the best ones. Milan had 2 real good ones and they got grief over it. At this point the transfers the rest of us are getting aren't all that good, therefore grief is minimal.<br /><br />I do think a school should play schools from there own sports class A,B,C,D. It is an advantage to play up all year, then play down for the playoffs. Everybody plays harder when they play big brother, then they play somebody their own size after that. HUGE advantage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-65245194288180886612017-03-25T10:23:33.595-04:002017-03-25T10:23:33.595-04:00You get more playoff points for beating a 7 win Cl...You get more playoff points for beating a 7 win Class C team than you do a 5 win Class B team or a 3 win Class A team. Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-76555641742810638802017-03-24T22:18:49.645-04:002017-03-24T22:18:49.645-04:00Actually 4:47, it can easily be disputed. Actually 4:47, it can easily be disputed. Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-11345096731202144452017-03-24T16:47:46.059-04:002017-03-24T16:47:46.059-04:00Smcc is a total inconvenience for everyone in the ...Smcc is a total inconvenience for everyone in the league football wise. They rack up points beating Class A and B schools, while playing them does no good, even if you beat them up only get Cheap points. As most know bonus points from other teams wins aren't even close to being as valuable points from beating a bigger school. You can't dispute that, Gary Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-44167890958985178602017-03-24T16:43:11.403-04:002017-03-24T16:43:11.403-04:00Smcc is in a league where theyou belong , with big...Smcc is in a league where theyou belong , with bigger schools. They should be in the playoffs with bigger schools as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-59741756420202908042017-03-24T14:30:49.594-04:002017-03-24T14:30:49.594-04:00We live in the U-S-A where freedom reigns. Fundam...We live in the U-S-A where freedom reigns. Fundamentally, you can go to any school you want for any reason. This is verified by the whole concept of "open school districts". The MHSAA does a token job of preventing the worst of the worst - that's all they can do.<br /><br />What riles me is what the definition of "recruiting" is for some of you. Is it when any person advocates for a particular school? Is it recruiting when someone says, "you should come to ABC High School. Its a good place."? Or when a parent whose kids play on the same summer team says "you should have Marvin come to ABC HS to play with my boy?" Recruiting is a folly unless a benefit is given. Stop using it as an excuse.<br /><br />Mostly, you people are just ridiculous. So SMCC is a private school in a public league. The have the smallest enrollment and, in football, are forced to run a precision offense typically used by the military academies because they typically lack size, numbers, and diverse talent. Their facilities pale in comparison to other schools in the area. It is FACT that their academics are better than every school in the area not to mention the alumni support that comes with being a graduate of that school. Are you really serious that recruiting is the only thing keeping your Johnny from All-League? If SMCC offered boarding houses like OLSM or Country Day, I'd buy what you are selling. But otherwise, your arguments are simple whining. <br /><br />It's the Huron League folks. Stop making excuses. God forbid you have to deal with the things that occur in schools around the Detroit borders. <br /><br />Let it go. Work harder. Stop making excuses for your kids. <br /><br />Riverview Grad, Huron Parent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-66680504507553298022017-03-23T14:34:22.617-04:002017-03-23T14:34:22.617-04:00Yeah I know you know a few transfers. All transfer...Yeah I know you know a few transfers. All transfers that go to smcc do that to play sports. All other transfers to other schools transfer for academic reasons. And by the way it's not 3 transfers. This whole thing started because you gave false info and you continue to give false info. Obviously it hard to have a discussion because all you do is say the same thing in a different way. Glad you live in your perfect little world that nothing goes wrong and you obviously are the best parent ever. Just on here on judging kids, families, schools, and criticizing why people do things. But you sure are quick to spew crap. Just don't get how you have 3 kids that transferred or school of choice and they start but that's ok. Smcc had 2 kids that came in and somehow it's totally wrong. <br /><br />One of the transfers had to sit out a year because he played for the Jv coach in the summer. So a kid leaves a school after playing for the Jv coach in the summer and that's ok to you. Like I said it's not a discussion it's you bashing smcc. If you were really concerned with the issue you would address all of these transfers and not just give the they transferred for academics. The school of choice kid played for your varsity baseball coach in the summer before 8th gr. And now he's at that school and he's not the only one. See these are facts you give assumptions. But again you don't address that. If you were a local ad would you be all over that also. No because it benefits you. Don't really care what people do or how they parent not for me to judge. But I guess it is for you to judge.<br />Have friends at both schools so a little more informed than what you think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-84185326783781666392017-03-23T10:56:18.579-04:002017-03-23T10:56:18.579-04:00I could continue this for awhile. Perhaps you are...I could continue this for awhile. Perhaps you are a parent of one of the transfers.<br />I do not agree with transferring at all, to be honest. You should stay at your local school and do your best. Good parenting and good students will have success wherever they go to school. Good athletes will also succeed and play college sports wherever they go to school. You have to expose yourself to the right resources, visit the college you wish to attend. Been there, done this. Many colleges recruit outside of what they see at the High School level. Football is an exception to that. <br /><br />The reasons kids transfer is always a mystery, LOL. but when 3 kids transfer, they are immdediate starters, always mentioned in newspaper, numbers are padded because they get to play when their team is up by 30, obviously, this is the reason they came to this school. I am eliminating the guess work. Transferring does take a locals spot and that is unfair. <br /><br />I know a few transfers and I know why they transferred. Other than a safety issue or a family move, transfers should not happen. Like anything else in this world, once the door is opened to it, others will do it and abuse it. In the end 95% of these transfers end up no better than they would have if they stayed where they came from.<br /><br />Bedford is an excellent school, more academic offerings than any other school in Monroe County. If your really leaving Bedford for academic reasons than that simply isn't true. But almost all transfers say they are leaving for academics so they can play sports sooner. I think that is very misleading and the state should do something. If I was a local AD, I would be all over the MHSAA about this. <br /><br />I think its all a waste of time. I would like to hear back from any transfers parents down the road and see how it compares to the kids who stayed where they started. All this stuff is parent doing in hopes of some great success. Well, I got news for you, A successful person will succeed no matter where they go, the ones who aren't sure if they will succeed are the ones searching for something better.<br /><br />It all starts at home. Good luck whoever you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-77768027339313779332017-03-22T10:43:43.611-04:002017-03-22T10:43:43.611-04:00So if we all say academics then it's ok to tak...So if we all say academics then it's ok to take a "locals" spot. Just as long as its academics. So the 3 that started over locals this year it's ok that kids that have been playing in the program since 7th grade. It's ok because it's academics. And by the way smcc is a 4 year school. Not every kid in mces goes to the high school. Unlike the kids at wagar. Who will all go to Airport there is a little more support there than mces. Parents aren't really supporting smcc until the 9th gr. But you sure know a lot about all the schools. Until you know for a fact and know a kids or families sitituation then you probably shouldn't pass judgement. <br />Much like bringing up Airports 3 kids plus another one that plays baseball school of choice. You are quick to say academics. One of the transfers from Monroe I read in the paper that his brother stayed at Monroe so the parents wanted a better education for one and not the other. That's why you shouldn't pass judgement on people. I don't know and because of that I respect those kids and parents decision to transfer. That sitituation was obviously better than the one their son was in before.<br /><br />So in your mind transfers should be judged on how talented they are. Everyone gets them. Milan Airport Huron Flat rock Riverview, and Smcc all have gotten transfers in the last 10 years. Basketball, football and baseball. Parents do what is best for their kids. And if that is getting them out of an unhealthy situation then good for them. <br /><br />I for one agree that if you transfer you should sit out a full year. But your just on here assuming you know why a kid transferred when you really don't know. Why would a family leave Bedford, good academics, solid basketball program. He was a starter as a soph. Play in a great league, more college exposure. They have sent kids to play in college. No reason to transfer for basketball. Maybe there was something else factored in. You really are barking up the wrong tree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-55916205837742896182017-03-22T08:52:55.568-04:002017-03-22T08:52:55.568-04:008:13, Not new at all. I didn't say whether t...8:13, Not new at all. I didn't say whether they were recruited, you started that part. Point here is that these kids transfer for obviously sports reasons, but tell the MHSAA that it's academics. If your a transfer, just tell the MHSAA the truth, Sports, Sports, Sports and sit your time like your supposed too.<br /><br />No family would take their kids from Bedford schools to SMCC for academics. There's no contest there. <br /><br />Transfers, recruits, etc. is an ugly subject. I happen to know all the young men who transferred to Airport. It was indeed for academics. All of them have AP classes right now, plus the teams they did play on, the did not replace any starters. One of the young men didn't even play in Airports final basketball game. So, obviously NOT there for sports. <br /><br />Playing for a good coach is always beneficial, but keeping the players and families in mind that has supported your school for many years is the bottom line!!! <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-34294334545820754722017-03-20T01:22:45.011-04:002017-03-20T01:22:45.011-04:00Mendon is one of those programs that can compete a...Mendon is one of those programs that can compete and have shown it. They have been exceptional. I would say one of the 5 teams in the lower divisions that can compete with the private schools for sure. However, looking at the last 5 years, in 2013,14,15 they were knocked out by none other than muskegon Catholic central who in Divison 8 can beat average teams in division 1. A good example would be in 2014 when they played country Day in the regular season and won 30-0. Country Day made the semis that year in division 4. Another good example would be in 2013 when Homer had there best football team in history only to lose in the semis 52-7 to Detroit Loyola. How about the Napoleon Pirates this season with there greatest team in school history beating a very good Grass Lake team in Divison 6 for there first ever District title. Their reward....... A 49-6 beat down to Lumon Christi. These are just a few examples showing that the majority of public school teams cannot compete with private schools especially in Class C-D and often Division 3-4 as well. <br /><br />The Huron team I mentioned. I don't really think my comment was humorous. I think it's sad. A semi final should be competitive. It's not like they lost. They were destroyed. The reason that is sad. OLSM has kids from 3-4 different counties on that team and I'm guessing between 15-20 different school districts. <br /><br />I don't have all the answers. I'm just pointing out facts. Let's take the SMCC falcons for example. I have a ton of respect for what Jack has done and built there. The bottom line is that when SMCC makes the playoffs and goes into division six or most likely division seven in the near future, I would say the majority of small public schools will not be able to compete. They will beat the breaks off of teams like Manchester or Grass Lake. Now there are teams like Clinton of course that you pointed out has made a great run. I highly doubt that can be sustained year in and year out as the past 20 years will show. SMCC beat them 50-15 in 2014 and they lost in the first round to Sand Creek this season. A division 1 player in Mathew Sextonalomg with A Saline kid Noah Pore I think his name was and a ton of good role players allowed them to make a run. I don't see that kind of talent coming through Clinton again anytime soon. <br /><br />I have no answer to what should be done and separating public/private I don't think is feasible. I'm just simply stating that the system is flawed. The school of choice thing really doesn't apply to the majority of teams unless you're getting a high number of kids out of district kids like I suspect a team like Ithica has done to build success. The bottem line is that the majority of small public schools can't compete on a year in and year out basis against private schools like Lumon Christi, Detroit country Day, Muskegon Catholic central, grand rapids Catholic central, grand rapids south Christian, Waterford our Lady of the lakes etc. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-56626598928550305732017-03-19T11:08:00.772-04:002017-03-19T11:08:00.772-04:00I'll start at the top of your post and work do...I'll start at the top of your post and work down. <br /><br />-90%(your number) of public schools can't compete with the VERY GOOD private schools year in and year out. Just as 90% can't compete with the very good public schoools. <br /><br />-How many other private schools can compete with OLSM in D3? Probably ZERO. Two of the teams you mentioned have 5 state titles. OLSM has 4. And you left out EGR who has 5(in a row). <br /><br />- can we both agree that your statement is rather humorous when mentioning Huron and their best team in history? Yes Huron has turned the corner and is no longer what they were but they aren't quite on a state power level yet. I say yet. Huron is coming however. <br /><br />-Clinton 51-8 last five years with 2 trips to ford field. You say flash in the pan. I say good program on the rise. <br /><br />-Mendon. "Great run"? 11 time state champs. 10th best winning percentage in MHSAA football history is a bit better than a great run. And to say they are done is id say, premature. <br /><br />To wrap this up. I think you made some valid points and your opinion on this matter certainly holds water with me. <br />I think your solution is to split everyone up. Private/public <br />If you did that. Nothing would change. All the same dominant public schools would win and all the same dominant private schools would win. It would just be easier. And that is an assumption that can easily be made. <br /><br /><br /><br />Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-49781097968127080262017-03-19T09:07:00.670-04:002017-03-19T09:07:00.670-04:0010:20 now that's some food for thought. Agree ...10:20 now that's some food for thought. Agree or disagree those are some great points. Not just throwing garbage out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-74341288453466100292017-03-18T22:20:46.951-04:002017-03-18T22:20:46.951-04:00This is where your Catholic Private school bias re...This is where your Catholic Private school bias really shows up. With that being said, I think youve made some good points about other topics and it's great that people care and are talking about the league. Here is some food for thought. <br /><br />If we are talking the bottom 4 divisions, 90% of Public schools can't compete on a year in and year out basis with private schools in football. This isn't a secret. The majority of HS football coaches will tell you the same thing. <br /><br />The top for divisions are a little different, but not as much as you would think. Because of numbers, Division I and Division II public school teams can compete at a high-level. Schools with approx. 1200 enrollment or more. <br /><br />In regard to Division III and division four, things are very similar as the smaller divisions. The private schools dominate. I would say there are 3 to 4 teams in the state that can compete with Orchard lake St. Mary's at the division three level on a year in and year out basis. These would include strong programs like Dewitt, Muskegon, and Lowell. There aren't many more I assure you. Example..... New Boston had their best team in history make it to the semi's in 2014. A really nice team with a ton of talent not only in the trenches, but with skill. They were down 40 at the half and were absolutely demolished. In division 4, teams like Country day, Lumon Christi (who has gotten smaller in the last few years), Grand rapids Catholic central, Flint Powers, Grand rapids south Christian, etc. are all teams that the majority of public schools just can't compete with. There just aren't very many teams that can compete year in and year out. That's just a fact. <br /><br />Now..... with that being said.... there are always years in which public school teams just have great years. The team Clinton had two years ago which beat SMCC would be a great example. However, a couple things here. That was a Clinton team that comes around maybe once every 20-30 years. And IMO, if Jack is coaching that game, not only does SMCC win, but they also make it to Ford Field with a good chance to go back to back. Jack being the great guy and coach he is, left the cupboard loaded for his predecessor. <br /><br />Hudson and your example Mendon are other great examples of teams that made great runs, won state championships etc. That era for Mendon is over and will never return. Now will they have a great team every 5 years or so sure, just like Hudson did this year. Just like Ida has had the last few years. The problem is that at small schools like this and in this day and age of Football and the way our playoff system is set up, it's almost impossible to sustain. <br /><br />Unless..... you're in an area where talent is plentiful and there is a school of choice option where kids from a bigger city for example could come to play sports. Maybe Mt. Plesant for example.........Does Ithaca recruit? I'm sure they have in the past. But much like SMCC..... A good program recruits itself and kids want to be a part of something good. What Jack built over the last however many years is commendable and I don't think he recruited kids. His quality program recruited itself and prob got him some very good players over the years. There is nothing wrong with that. My only point in this whole thing is that the majority of public schools just can't compete with private schools year in and year out unless you have a special coach, community, administrative backing etc. This is hard to find and if you are a smaller public school, it's close to impossible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-87861581079699488662017-03-18T18:41:36.997-04:002017-03-18T18:41:36.997-04:00I'll answer like this. If we say no they shou...I'll answer like this. If we say no they should move up to D6, then we would have to say that about Mendon as well. Mendon has more titles than MUSK CC in D7 and D8.Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-23438122675758235722017-03-18T18:14:27.671-04:002017-03-18T18:14:27.671-04:00Gary,
You never answered my question.. Do you thi...Gary,<br /><br />You never answered my question.. Do you think Muskegon CC belongs playing D8 competition?? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-18456956860817793682017-03-17T08:13:36.312-04:002017-03-17T08:13:36.312-04:00943. The other 3 came on board. That's why it&...943. The other 3 came on board. That's why it's hard to have a real discussion, people just make up stuff. If Gary is such a homer he would know this. Also know the 2 kids that transferred averaged like 6 and 7 points when they transferred. A soph and a freshman. Isn't like they are seniors just walking in taking someone's spot. Airport for example also had 2 transfers and a school of choice kid in their starting lineups. Geez I hope their "locals" weren't upset. Are you new, I think the basketball success has been way up for a while before as you say the 17 transfers came in LOL! How bout we just make it intramural activities that way everyone is happy and everyone can play. Because of course that is how the real world works. Everyone gets a job and keeps that job no matter how hard they work or don't work. And if you live in the same town you work you keep your job forever because your a "local". <br /><br />Getting prepared for life's ups and downs is as you say the bottom line. Not how much you played in a high school sporting event. My son played football there and between parenting, teachers and playing for a coach like Jack Giarmo he is much more prepared for life after sports. And that's the bottom line!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-21597665550878760572017-03-16T09:30:46.324-04:002017-03-16T09:30:46.324-04:00In football and basketball, SMCC has won the leagu...In football and basketball, SMCC has won the league more often than anybody else in recent times. <br /><br />Some years they have transfers which add to all the locals already in place and are very successful. Some years, not so many transfers and they have a normal year like the rest of us, such as this past football season.<br /><br />Now basketball is way up this year. 2 local kids that start, parents went there, etc. Other 3 came on board, 1 about 4 years ago, joined in 7th grade, 1 about 2 years ago, joined in 10th grade, 1 just this year. You see the success this has brought SMCC. The locals who earned their stripes are sitting. I'm sure there would have been much more parity in the Huron League this year without those transfers. All Academic transfers by the way. LOL. <br /><br />It happens, Milan did it a few years back and it proved successful, in sports anyhow. For whatever reason both schools have lost student enrollment since that time. That's the bottom line, NOT state championships. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-66286875330884777682017-03-15T13:39:19.290-04:002017-03-15T13:39:19.290-04:00SMCC can not get the privates their size to play t...SMCC can not get the privates their size to play them anymore. AAGR, RVGR, DDC all dropped them after getting beat two years in a row. SMCC has not come close to winning the Huron league year in and year out. The league is competitive. There are no easy draws. Other Huron schools have had athletes outside their districts when they had success. Examples: AP and Milan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-48439383448170765322017-03-14T14:28:11.344-04:002017-03-14T14:28:11.344-04:00Transferring happens everywhere. I like the 180 d...Transferring happens everywhere. I like the 180 day proposal by Chris. Gary Haufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828657515290121437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-85400159588398818462017-03-14T13:37:52.559-04:002017-03-14T13:37:52.559-04:00I do remember you picking Jefferson. Just busting...I do remember you picking Jefferson. Just busting your chops. Thanks for printing<br />my comment. <br /><br />I do agree something should be done to curb the transferring. Where does something like that start? Does someone have to petition the MHSAA? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4898014593441742663.post-84069594829629078922017-03-14T13:13:20.527-04:002017-03-14T13:13:20.527-04:00The party anonymous writes of at smcc sounds fun h...The party anonymous writes of at smcc sounds fun how do i sign up for it? lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com